Nine inch nails: the hidden side of a rock legend
By Browne, Nichola and Catherine Yate for Kerrang! on April 14, 2007
On a cold Wednesday night at Londonās
Brixton Academy, there are at least 4,000 people frantically going apeshit
under a sense-shredding assault of strobes and dry ice. The reason? Nine Inch
Nails are onstage. And, that, to seasoned NIN fans is the equivalent of the
Second Coming of Christ for Christians.
So all this isnāt much of a surprise when you consider
that it's the first of four dates at the venue on a sold-out UK tour that by
its end, will see them play to roughly 10 times that number. More surprising,
however, is the fact that among the shaking throng, youāll find the Lostprophets
and assorted members of Deftones, all wearing fan-boy faces. Deftones frontman
Chino Moreno, in particular, is in superfan mode, enthusing to anyone within
earshot about tracks aired tonight from his favourite NIN records. But even
more than that, though, is the sight of Trent Reznor himself ā a man for whom
misery and self-hate have been creative staples long before emo ever uttered a
whimper, and a man currently having the time of his life as he tears
through the set, jumping up and down, hurling mic stands this way and that,
and, Jesus, did he just crack a joke?
Itās a joy to behold, not just because itās proof an
artist 18 years into his career and 41 years old can still rip it up with a
vitality that would put those half his age to shame, but because Reznor is
about to return to deliver āYear Zeroā ā the best thing heās done in years. And
heās excited.
This is far bigger news than it might first appear. At
a time where you can buy Fall Out Boy belts and HIM wallets in high street
stores, NIN ā a band that can also count album sales in the millions ā are
nowhere to be seen. Yet among bands and peers ā not to mention an obsessively
devoted fan-base that has followed Reznorās every move since the release of NINās
1989 debut, āPretty Hate Machineā ā itās a different story. Though heād kill
you before admitting it, Marilyn Manson owes his career to him. Good Charlotte
donāt, but Benji Madden sports a āNINā sticker on his guitar, and if you ask
pop-punk newcomers Madina Lake about Reznor, prepare to have them bend your ear
for some serious hero worship. In fact, youād be hard pushed to find a star
inhabiting the rock world who wonāt admit to being influenced by Reznor in some
way or another. For the man himself, the reason for all this respect and
adulation is a simple and unglamorous one.
āIn my darkest hours when I grew to hate myself
through addiction and chemical whatevers in me,ā admits Reznor, āI always cared
about the music higher than anything else.ā
If the exuberance of his recent live shows and the
fact that āYear Zeroā, NINās fifth full-length album, is the first to shift
from the personal to more political leanings in lyrical content, suggest a
happier mind-set these days, itās not something thatās immediately evident from
a face-to-face meeting with Reznor. Words often used to describe the frontman
include intimidating, serious and unnerving, and sat on an expansive, purple
sofa in a room at Londonās swanky Metropolitan hotel, thumb and forefinger
pressed against his forehead in permanent think mode, the black-clad Reznor
cuts an imposing figure.
On the table in front of him are several cups of herbal
tea with a side order of honey to soothe an ongoing throat problem that
resulted in the cancellation [postponement! āTNH] of a show in Birmingham on
March 4. He offers a quiet āhiā as a greeting, and he waves away any questions
about the state of his voice with a dealing-with-it shrug.
Interviews with Reznor are hard to come by; thereās
been little promotion on this tour and the 45 minute audience he grants with K!
is the longest interview heās done so far. He speaks in a slow, considered
monotone, punctuated by long pauses. His closely-cropped hair and long face
give him a stern demeanour, although he comes across as reserved and pensive
rather than aloof and arrogant. And while you sense that interviews arenāt his
favourite pastime, heās accommodating and thereās a welcome self-deprecating humour
that he lets out occasionally ā āMy tea suppliers,ā he announces with
mock ceremony as a label minion clunks down another cup beside him.
āYear Zeroā began life as ideas knocked out on a
laptop in 2005 during spare moments on the 18-month promotional tour for āWith
Teethā ā the long-delayed follow-up to 1999ās āThe Fragileā and his first sober
after a long catalogue of drink and drug problems. Partly, as Reznor explains,
because he found a way to āmake it funā on tour, partly because it passed the
time, and because it kept him sane, too.
The biggest reason, however, was that he knew he
finally had the confidence to make the record he wanted. Ask him what he thinks
of āWith Teethā now and heāll describe it as ācautiousā, adding that it
wouldnāt be his āfavourite NIN record todayā.
āLooking back, I can see I wasnāt completely sure of
myself,ā he confesses. āI got sober six years ago in June, and I took a few of
those years just trying to stay alive and feel comfortable in my own skin
before I jumped back into work to possibly fail.ā
āYear Zeroā is a different place for sure. For one
itās the most musically ambitions NIN have ever sounded. For another, its
fiendishly involved concept is possibly the nerdiest NIN have ever been.
āIām a nerd,ā Reznor states, breaking into a grin.
āIām with you on that.ā
Trent Reznor was born on May 17, 1965, which puts him one month shy of his 42nd birthday. He spent his 40th in court ā ābeing sued by
my lying prick ex-manager,ā he says, flatly. āI wonā. That the past year has
seen more activity from him since the start of his career is less of a surprise
than the fact heās here at all. Certainly, were you a betting man, you wouldnāt
have put your money on Trent Reznor being alt-rockās last man standing. When
1994ās āThe Downward Spiralā was shifting two million units and counting, he
disappeared at the height of his fame for four years. When he resurfaced with
āThe Fragileā in 1999, the gap was six years.
āWhen you get some fame, youād be surprised at how you
as a person changes,ā he explains. āWith the whirlwind of stuff that comes at
you, itās often difficult not to become that guy you were just laughing at.ā
Can you still relate to a āPretty Hate Machineā-era Trent?
Or an instrument-smashing āDownward Spiralā Trent?
āTheyāre all friends,ā Reznor considers. āItās not all
me in those people but I know why I did those things at the time. They were
done with the right intentions, and obviously there have been some missteps, but
you live and learn.ā
Though Reznor writes, records ā and with the
occasional collaborative exception ā provides the sole creative force behind
the music, when it comes to touring, NIN have always functioned as a live unit.
The current line-up, which heās played with for two years ā guitarist Aaron
North, bassist Jeordie White, drummer Josh Freese and keyboardist Alessandro Cortini
ā is also the longest standing, and in Reznorās eyes, the best heās had.
āBut we havenāt explored actually writing music together,ā
Reznor explains. āIām open to it, but Iāve never had success doing it. So now
Iām just like, āletās see what happensā.ā
Ask him how close he is to the other members, whether
he socialises outside of gig hours and heāll say yes, a bit of that goes on.
Before admitting that heās certainly not rockās resident party animal.
āI donāt really āhang outā at all,ā he says. āBut itās
not like we arenāt friends.ā
The photo shoot the following day seems to attest
this. With the whole band in one place together, the atmosphere seems relaxed
and natural. There might not be any ostentatious displays of camaraderie, but
thereās clearly enough rapport between them that allows for some joking around,
as Reznor and White play-hug in-between shots.
Ask North about Reznor and heāll tell you that heās
not āsome kind of Führer-esque control freak dudeā, adding that in two years,
he and the frontman have āscreamed at each otherā just once (although he
declines the offer to share what they were fighting about).
In interviews in the past, Reznor has made no secret
of how he is determined to keep himself ā the man ā out of the NIN spotlight as
much as possible. And it has been a wish that most journalists have granted,
possibly due to the fact that he is such a formidable, stern presence in the
flesh, or perhaps because no one has dared play the low-brow goof in front of
such a smart and articulate artist. K!, however, decided that it was about time
that the world got to know some things about Trent Reznor ā the man. And hereās
what Reznor gave usā¦
Describe yourself in four words. āOh for fuckās sake.
Thatās my four words there.ā
Whatās your best quality? āDetermination.ā
And your worst? āI tend to focus on one thing and let
other things slip away.ā
People suggest youāre a very intimidating, scary
person. Would you say thatās an accurate observation? āItās weird for me to
hear that because I donāt see myself as that. A lot of times when Iām in a
situation where Iām being around other people, I can mistake them as being
standoffish, and later I realise that they might be intimidated. But I donāt
see myself that way.ā
So youāre quite a warm, friendly person, then? āNo,
quite not! Not that either.ā
Why do you think people get you so wrong? āI donāt
know. Maybe itās the music a bit ā itās not necessarily happy songs and I do
take my work very seriously. I try to keep my personality out of headlines and
thereās a reason for that. I want it to be about the music and Nine Inch Nails
and not about me the personality.ā
Whatās the most annoying untruth youāve read about
yourself? āThere was a time when I used to pay a lot of attention to things and
Iād get upset when Iād hear that Iām really depressed or Iām a vampire or I
never laugh, that kind of thing. But I donāt let that come out in the music too
much. As far as irritating untruths⦠Anything thatās ever come out of Courtney
Loveās fat, liposuctioned mouth or thatās in Marilyn Mansonās fictional book.
Those are things that have irritated me because theyāre absolutely, patently
untrue.ā
So you and Courtney arenāt pals? āI make a point not
to ever speak her name, but somehow it just crossed my mind. I saw a recent
photo of some fat lady that looked like her and there was her recent
transformationā¦ā
How do you relax when youāre not working? āIām never
not working! Actually, I do enjoy reading and I enjoy mountain-biking.ā
Are you quite a fit person? āUm, yeah, pretty much.ā
Whatās the last book you read? āIt was a book called
āThe Roadā. I forget who the author is [Cormac McCarthy], but it was a
post-apocalyptic, futuristic tale. You know, cheery light reading!ā
What was the last thing that made you really laugh?
āReally laugh? We went to the torture museum in Amsterdam recently and somebody
farted in the middle of a presentation. I probably laughed for five whole
minutes about that! There was a bunch of us laughing. It was one of those
contagious, inappropriate moments.ā
Can you cook? āNot very well, no. Itās on my list of
things to get better at.ā
If I was coming round to your house for dinner, what
would you cook me? āI would probably suggest a take-out. But it would depend on
if Iām trying to impress you or not.ā
Say you are really trying to impress me? āIf I were
trying to impress you, I would call a friend of mine whose mother is an
excellent chef, and Iād have her come over and cook. And I may even bullshit
you into letting you think that I cooked it. Depending on how much Iām
trying to impress youā¦ā
Does the whole notion of a celebrity lifestyle still
turn you off? āYeah. Life in front of the cameras has no appeal to me
whatsoever. I can understand that if your career is one that relies on that, if
youāre an actor, or a type of actor I should say, or a type of āmusicianā ā
that ego needs to be fuelled by thinking that thatās the way they want to
portray themselves. But I have no personal interest in that. It plays into
everything thatās wrong with music and art right now.ā
So you donāt go to celebrity parties? āNo, I hate that
kind of shit.ā
How do you feel about getting old? āThatās a good
question. Itās surprising. You donāt have any choice in the matter, Iāve
discovered, and Iām trying to be honest with myself as I can be ā trying to
reassess what matters to me and what makes me happy as an artist. Itās weird
because I woke up one day and I was several years older than I thought I was
and it was like, āHow did that happen?ā But then maturity begins to creep inā¦
Iām feeling at peace with a number of things that I wasnāt in the past.ā
Is staying sober still a struggle for you? āItās
nothing that I let my guard down about. Iāve gone to great lengths to ensure
that the place Iām at is⦠Iāve got safety nets around me if necessary. But I do
feel that Iāve made my peace with accepting thatās what I am and I donāt go
through life wishing I could do things that I canāt do. I really donāt. I feel
what Iāve got in sobriety is the ability to think again, and make music, and
feel good about myself and about making music. I could never have pulled off a
project like āYear Zeroā fucked up.
So itās the music that keeps you strong? āItās one of
the many things. Liking myself again is a huge thing because Iād hated myself
and Iād hated what Iād become. And I surprised myself that I could get myself
in such a bad place.ā
Are you single? āUm, no.ā
Can you see yourself married with kids in the future?
āYes.ā
In the near future? āPerhaps.ā
What one thing would you really like Nine Inch Nails
fans to know about you? āThereās not really anything. With Nine Inch Nails,
Iāve dedicated a huge chunk of my life and it really is the thing I care most
about, aside from being alive and treating people properly. I feel like Iām
doing it for the right reasons and I still approach it by trying to be as
honest with myself as I can be and make music thatās out there to resonate and
matter and be something you can make a part of yourself for the right reasons.
Itās not to be rich or famous or follow trends.ā
What do you think youāll do when NIN comes to an end?
āNine Inch Nails has a lifespan thatās ticking. If Iām fortunate enough to be
in a position to do what I want to do, then Iāll always be making some kind of
music. Iād like to branch off into some other fields of entertainment in terms
of writing things.ā
Like films? āPerhaps. Iāve always toyed with the idea
of directing things or writing screenplays. With āYear Zeroā, that may come
into reality or it may not. And thatās exciting for me. Itās more than just a
record.ā
Are you happy? āYeah. Generally, I feel very, very
fortunate. Youāre wanting to speak to me, people want to show up for shows and
people appreciate what I do. And I enjoy what Iām doing. Itās taken me a long
time to get to that place.ā
But youāre there. āIām here at the moment. And
thereāre still places Iād like to go, but Iām fucking a lot further along than
I was a few years ago.ā
What would you like on your gravestone ā āHere lies
Trent Reznor, heā¦ā? āHe did what he thought was the right thing to do and now
heās dead.ā
There you have it: Trent Reznor sharing a few intimate
details about Trent Reznor. Believe what you like about him, but let this be
one of them ā heās a good sport. And yes, heās super-serious, immaculately
professional and as sharp as a razor, but you know those rumours he was talking
about ā the ones saying he never laughs? Bullshit. He does, you just have to
ask the right questionsā¦
NINās new album āYear Zeroā is out on April 16 via Interscope.
(Sidebar: āA Blufferās Guide To āYear Zeroāā
What is Year Zero? Itās the title of the fifth
studio full-length album from Nine Inch Nails, the follow-up to 2005ās āWith
Teethā, and itās a concept record.
A concept album? Did he catch that bug from MCR?
āWellā¦,ā says Reznor, āIt is unfortunate that My Chemical Romance have done
anything. I heard they made a concept record and thatās as far as my interest
has gone. So whatever.ā Thatās a ānoā, then.
Will the concept melt my brain? Probably. Itās
an elaborate multimedia, conspiracy theory web-trail of which the album is but
a part. It began with a NIN tour T-shirt bearing a URL ā iamtryingtobelieve.com
ā that took fans to a site concerning a āmind controlā drug, Parepin. And if
you go to fan checkpoint echoingthesound.com [.org, morons! āTNH], youāll
discover that āYear Zeroā is a dystopian vision of the future ā 2022 to be
exact ā depicting an Orwellian society in the throes of extinction. Crikey.
Complicated much, then? What did you expect?
According to Reznor, itās āthe most elaborate album cover in the worldā. Why?
Because the websites, the fan forums, the coded merchandise, are all part of
the āartworkā. And by reading this, youāre contributing to it, too.
So, is an anorak mandatory? An anorak is
strictly optional. āI wanted something the insane, superfan couldnāt believe
how involved it was,ā explains Reznor. āBut thereās an entry point for the
ācasualā person too.ā In other words, you can just enjoy the music, if youāre
not arsed to get too involved.
Transcribed by Botley, Posted by JessicaSarahS